In Naruto Shippuden 122 “The Hunt”, Naruto and the others set off to look for information on Itachi. In the meantime, Hinata, Yamato and Naruto run into Kabuto,who gives them a book with information on the Akatsuki,and then reveals that he has transplanted Orochimaru’s remains in himself. He then tells Naruto that they will meet again, and disappears. Elsewhere, Sasuke is confronted by Tobi and Deidara. Who will win this epic battle?
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1 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 13, 2009 at 7:14 pm
IM WAITING FOR Naruto 2 MEET Itachi
2 Minato Namikaze // Aug 14, 2009 at 1:04 am
The funny thing is, if there are no more spoilers (which I hope not). This means Sasuke vs Deidara. Sasuke vs Itachi’s clone. Jiraiya vs Pein. Sasuke vs Itachi (half-dead already). Tobi vs the Leaf. Lots of fights. This will make me happy. Kishi better not mess this up for me, lol. Pein…… Rubi seemed you try to get your attention. Word up, I swear… Lol.
3 Pein // Aug 14, 2009 at 2:19 pm
@ 8th
I have to disagree with you here on two things #1 diedara did not blow himself up because he could not defeat sasuke… Sasuke no longer had any chackra and diedara knew this already, he did it because sasuke’s eyes reminded him of Itachi’s…
So in the end he actually blew himself up in a fit of insanity, i think that was the point kishi was trying to get across.
#2 had pein just stabbed naruto through his vital organs the fight would be done, there’s no going even 1 tail after that…
Also negato had no fear of naruto when he entered the room because he still had the ace up his sleeve the “Kuchiyose Gedo Mazo” which was the giant demon he summoned to kill off danzous army not even the fox could stop that… he actually summoned its opposite to give life back to konoha…
not to mention he still had god realm and all the other abilities of each Pein… So i stand firm in saying that had it not been for Pein killing himself naruto would have lost.
@ booty Ruby
LMAO!!!
@ Mad
I know I m right would you agree?
4 Pein // Aug 14, 2009 at 2:20 pm
let me back track the point that kishi was getting across is that diedara let his emotions get the best of him…
5 Madara Uchiha // Aug 14, 2009 at 3:03 pm
@ Pein. You’re absolutely right. I have no disagreements at this point. You basically nailed it right on the head. And only Pein would type his technique’s name… Only person to do that on this forum was Minato. Heh.
6 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 14, 2009 at 3:27 pm
I agree with you Pein on the Deidara thing. But Naruto can heal fast. Even vital organs. The foxs chakra can heal him faster than u think. It wasn’t Minato that healed him after going 8tails. Narutos seal was more complete. Restored then. So he healed fully. How can he not heal after a fist beating. Ask Kishi. But I would say that was for that moment. Everything has it’s flaws. Yeah he still had God Realm. But Sage+Fox! We still don’t know how strong that is. All we no is that Pein couldn’t throw him like he did everyone else. Or like before. Remember Naruto is unpredictable. And might I add this feat. When Naruto was on his way he was regular but as soon as he arrived he was in Sage+Fox Realm. Lol. Ok. Which means he can gather sage chakra while moving. Maybe. How else did he get it? Exactly!! But Pein still had every Jutsu yes could do every jutsu. But!! He had a limit. He doesn’t heal like Naruto. Naruto has more chakra. No one has more chakra than Naruto. Spiritual Physical Sage &Fox!! So U can’t really say Pein would have won. You can say all Pein had to do was hit a vital Point. But he didn’t. So we shouldn’t go back and say all he had to do. If that’s the case all Naruto had to do when he first faught Sasuke was have an intent to kill as well as Itachi when fighting Sasuke. Would have been different outcomes. There were ways Pein could have knocked Naruto out but he was the one that wanted to talk and tell stories during their fight. And delay and have Hinata interfere which led to his untimely death.
But I thought he was hooked or connected or linked whatever you wanna use to that. Yeah he was. So he couldn’t summon that unless it’s another. And now that he’s gone Madara wanna sync Sasuke with it. Whatever Madara is planning someone has to be sync with Gedo. And
Doesn’t Gedo look like the thing they summon to extract the bijuu. Maybe I’m tripping and it’s the same.
7 Madara Uchiha // Aug 14, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Uh ohhhhh. Guru differences again. This should be interesting. This won’t be like me vs Itachi-Gue. This should have many valid points from both parties.
8 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 14, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Yeah i believe it’ll be good.. respect is there. if im wrong i admit like i started my last comment. but it’ll be interesting. i await you Pein.
OH!! This a Guru discussion and emos see your way out! THERES NO ‘E’ or ‘MO’ in Guru!! especially u bootycarbuncle. Sasuke has been a good boy lately
9 Pein // Aug 15, 2009 at 3:10 am
@ 8th
You proved my point while trying to disprove it…
yes if naruto had the desire to kill sasuke he would have killed him. Just like if neji desired to hit naruto with a deadly blow during the chunning exam he’d be dead. these are whats known as the fluke wins (wins that don’t count because 1 opponent held back) Same is true for Pein had he desired to kill naruto, naruto would be dead…
Naruto does have the ability to heal true but lets be real if he is able to heal all his vital organs after each is damaged, then we might as well call him immortal and end the whole manga right there… and there has been no indication in the past that naruto can heal a vital organ so that’s just speculation…
But what remains true is naruto can be thrown by God realm (whether he’s in sage fox mode or whatever), Naruto as the fox can’t be thrown but he can’t move either and when he does move it isn’t fast once he goes above 3 tails…
So no matter what mode or form he was in Pein had time to summon his version of the susanoo as a basic comparison… Now naruto’s choice would have been to try and run and avoid the thing or try and attack Pein and likely die in the process… His greatest victory beyond defeating the bodies (which can in so many ways be described as a fluke) was changing negato’s mind…
10 Pein // Aug 15, 2009 at 3:12 am
Negato died as Itachi did undefeated and an unforeseeable hero
11 Pein // Aug 15, 2009 at 3:24 am
and when you speak about the bodies including Yahiko that’s exactly what they are bodies, the puppet master is Pein or Negato that is the one that needed to be defeated in order for a victory to be claimed…
That’s like getting through a series of opponents to get to the master and saying well I won because I defeated a series of opponents… that just means you’re really good but not the champ… and if the master is defeated by other means beyond you, you’re just the champ in succession but the other guy is still the face of the championship you’re just holding a belt… like boxing champs vacate belts all the time but it takes a man to get that belt off him to say I beat him or I own a win over him…
12 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 15, 2009 at 4:13 am
Ok! Pein can’t throw Naruto when in Sage+Fox Realm. Cause he tried to when Naruto was in front of him and was shocked by it. He and Konan was. Remember!!?? And when Naruto faught Kabuto in part one during the Sanin Royal he was hit in the heart. Tsunade gave him a boost but it still healed cause his heart stopped at first. I’m not saying his organs will heal right away. I’m saying in due time his organs will with that being am example. You proved my point. We can’t go back saying what Pein could have done should have done. The only real true fluke wins are by Sasuke himself. It’s Neji fault he wanted to talk and reveal the mark on his forehead. And talk about Destiny. He just underestimated Naruto that’s why he lost. That’s the real reason he lost. He just figured ok you’re weak it’s your destiny I blocked all your points it’s over. It’s not over til death r immobilized. Like he was when defeated. So back to Pein. Naruto defeated all bodies with ease except Yahiko. God Realm. But he out smarted Pein and won. And once again Naruto can’t be thrown when in Sage+Fox it was tried. Pein can’t stand up and run around so that’s a disadvantage. When he realized he couldn’t throw or control Narutos chakra he thought he was done for. He kept yapping about Naaruto killing him.
And while fighting Pein knew he had to go at him with the intent to kill cause he was the strongest opponent he ever faced. Naruto is unpredictable. We still don’t know what Sage+Fox Mode can do. We know it’s strong as hell. Cause both modes alone are strong. When in 6tails he was moving quite fast against Pein and 4tails against Orochimaru. He moves fast both probably not fast as he should be able to.
Very good analogy with the boxing and puppet thing. I like that.
This is just another thing we will never know about. Like Neji vs Sasuke. But. Who knows. It will go on.
13 Pein // Aug 15, 2009 at 6:34 pm
@ 8th
Okay reread manga 444 @ no point did Pein attempt Shinra Tensei he only stabbed naruto with a chackra rod and expected to be able to control him since they were at close range… Of course he was shocked that he couldn’t as was Konan…
But had he attempted to throw him he would be thrown… He couldn’t throw him with 6 tails because of sheer mass he weighed down on the ground so well he was immovable but remember he couldn’t move at all @ the same time… He moves slow when he jumps above 3 tails everyone knows that, so I won’t argue that…
You were one who said Itachi died undefeated, why is that???
The answer is because had Itachi really been fighting sasuke, sasuke would be dead but he wasn’t, same is the case with neji same is the case with Pein… And you continue to say lets not speak of what ifs yet you speculate a lot…
Like you say naruto healed his heart after the kabuto battle you mentioned tsunade gave him a boost, but you make it seem as though minus that his heart would have restarted anyway…
I would agree with this with a medical ninja with him naruto can survive certain organ attacks but that wouldn’t include something that completely damages the organ, because then that would just make him a true God on the show and who would accept that??? Pein only needed one move to kill naruto and how can you really argue with that?
He sacrificed himself to save Konoha because he believed in Naruto…
14 Pein // Aug 15, 2009 at 6:42 pm
He sacrificed himself I’ll repeat he wasn’t murdered he didn’t commit suicide to avoid an interrogation or ass whipping…
The only victory @ the end of this battle was a moral one, that is why Pein died undefeated…
Itachi sacrificed himself to teach sasuke a lesson while making him stronger, and gave naruto powers to protect sasuke pre the Itachi sasuke “battle” not to mention he was dieing anyway, so the only victory there was a lesson learned which= moral… that’s why itachi died undefeated…
So neither sasuke nor naruto own a victory over either one of the great villains of this manga, unless they both beat madara, but at the end of the day Itachi and Negato have no l’s on their record…
15 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 15, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Are you saying that Neji and Pein wasn’t fighting Naruto seriously. Cause I seriously doubt that Pein was playing around. And Neji underestimated Naruto like I said before. Itachi did die undefeated. His plan was not to lose and not to let Sasuke win so he can implant his technique. Yeah I mean maybe his heart could have restarted. Chances or slim to none but 1% can be more thanenough for a chance. You’re maybe getting me confused.
Okay! I’m not saying if one of his organs get I injured in battle them it’ll heal right there. No. I’m just saying in due time it will. And I don’t know if Sasuke hit an organ or not during their fight before he left the village but during that fight when he held him with one hand and hit him with a Chidori. Either it was an organ or a very deep wound. What happened there. It healed up right then and there when the foxs chakra was released. So hey maybe they can heal fast. Idk.
Back to the Neji and Pein thing. They both wanted to win. And had to. Neji wanted to be everyone although you didn’t need to win to become chuunin. And Pein had to win to capture him. And I don’t see how I speculated with the what ifs. I’m was basically just saying we don’t know how strong Sage+Fox Mode is. So can’t just up and say Pein could win.
Itachi planted something in Sasukes left eye and maybe something in Narutos right eye. And Pein control all 6manipulations. With gravity being the sixth. Maybe it’s just the foxs chakra that he can’t control or use shinra tensei on. Sage it worked fined. Forgot what else I wanted to say
16 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 15, 2009 at 7:23 pm
I know he wasn’t murdered or committed suicide. Lol. I know he sacrificed himself. But when it was said that he never lost a battle. It was meant that his 6puppets never lost a battle. By all means if you send your puppets to fight for you and they lose you lose.
Say if Bush would have sent US troops to Georgia to fight Russia and if the troops would have lost. It would have been looked at as Bush loosing the war. The US losing the war. For the troops are puppets of the US. It won’t be said that the US troops lost the war to the Russian troops. No. Puppetmaster US lost to Puppet Master Russia.
Naruto beat the puppets. Puppet destroyer. Which signified Peins first lost. If it didn’t he or Konan wouldn’t be shocked at all bodies being defeated. That’s bring up another point to prove this. This lost.
Madara failed twice and revenge on Konoha. Lost to the 1st. And became Puppet master of the 9tails. 9tails basically lost so Madara lost slash failed again for a second time. 9tails was his puppet because he was controlling it. Just as Pein was controlling the bodies. Just as the fight between Chiyo&Sakura vs Sasori. Your puppets lose just like a lost to the puppetmaster. Then the puppet master try to take matters into their own hands. Pein and Naruto had a talk. Realized who they were and they had a common goal and believed in one another so Pein sacrificed himself just like Itachi but Itachi did not lose his fight. Pein did. Itachi is the only undefeated Shinobi. Like I said the Goldberg of Naruto. If he was alive he should have a sayid of Who’s Next?? Lol.
17 Pein // Aug 16, 2009 at 1:02 am
Okay I’ll admit this you are right on the neji battle he made the mistake of underestimating naruto and it was his fault he lost…
But as far as the puppet analogy break down you’re wrong…
the president sending troops to war is different, because they are the sole fighters the president can’t jump in or even have a chance if the war was brought directly to him nor is he even making battle decisions, it’s completely different…
Negato on the other hand could handle himself and in fact was stronger than the bodies…
Jiriaya defeated half of the bodies and since they were trying to kill him he died… besides that it would be the same to say since jiraya killed half the bodies Pein had half a loss…
look @ it this way if one country’s army got past ours and we destroy them with the a bomb they lose…
and gedo is the equivalent of the a bomb…
and you saying naruto in sage fox made could not be moved by shinra is pure speculation there is nothing to substantiate that…
also naruto has never been mortally wounded for you to say he could survive an attack on his organs, also speculation…
Look Negato was weighing all his options to try and bring naruto alive but naruto showed his strength and bringing him back alive wasn’t truly going to happen, so I m saying left with that in mind Pein couldn’t hold back anymore, so naruto could only feel fortunate he got through to Pein (moral victory)…
Madara lost to the fourth because his plan failed and he left he didn’t stay and fight, that is called forfeiting, a loss…
and itachi fought a battle with sasuke but he wasn’t trying to kill him same thing with Pein same outcome, a Sacrifice…
Naruto did save the village but not by killing Pein but by convincing him there is another way…
18 Pein // Aug 16, 2009 at 1:04 am
Okay let me ask you this, knowing how many times naruto has sent out clones that posses the same strength as him and abilities and they have been destroyed on many occasions, when has that ever counted as a defeat towards naruto??? It doesn’t.
19 Minato Namikaze // Aug 16, 2009 at 1:45 am
Likw Jim Ross says “Business is about to pick up!”. Pein vs 8th!! The Battle wages on… For idealistic supremacy and argumentative purposes.
20 NARUTO NAMIZAKE // Aug 16, 2009 at 2:23 am
wow i leave for 2 days and this happens. at least its no sasugay vs all of us in a “f*** u” match
21 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 16, 2009 at 4:18 am
Okay u got me with the president thing. But with the rest of the breakdown I’m right. Madara was controlling the fox giving him the title as puppet master and the fox the title as puppet. The fox lost basically so it results in the puppet master losing. It is a defeat no matter how u look at it.
And u can’t kill what’s dead. And I don’t believe Jiriaya killed half the bodies. After all that time they had time to heal. What am I saying. They’re dead already. They are equally strong cause they have his chakra his eyes and his jutsu. So when fighting together they are just as strong and put him at advantage that way instead of fighting alone. So the half life thing is wrong. They’re dead already or u can just say. Time passed by between the Jiriaya and Naruto fight.
Gedo aka King of Hell Statue is what he’s sync to. We don’t really know how it works exact for when he first summoned it.
I was just saying that maybe he can’t be moved I wasn’t giving it a 100% yes he can’t be moved my shinra when in sage+fox. Just saying maybe it had something to do with the foxs chakra being the reason he couldn’t move the 6tails with shinra tensei. And if that was the case it’s the reason he couldn’t move naruto with it. It’s speciation as well that u say he can and that Pein would have just defeated Naruto.
And the organ thing I don’t believe is speculation. Sometimes or for some even a medical nin can’t help but by Naruto having the foxs chakra which allows him to heal is a reason he can. If he gets stabbed in a kidney. Sakura does a little healing to it. In time it will. The same with tsunade and his heart besides he doesn’t have all the chakra. He hewed up very fast when Sasuke did a chidori right in his chest. Sasuke saw it with his own eyes and so did we.
Pein realized that when fighting him as Yahiko. That bring him in alive wasn’t an option. That’s why he took it as far as he did. He was trying to kill him. He had to go at him with that intent like I been saying. And if u look at the conversation carefully Negato always believed in Naruto just didn’t know he actually existed. It all bares down to the book. Naruto has a way with words. That’s his secret weapon. He gets to everyone except Sasuke with his words. Neji Zabuza Pein Haku Gaara. So on his info card it should say no conversation with this shinobi or you’re bound to be defeated. Naruto could have killed Pein if he wanted to. Let’s say he could throw him with shinra tensei. He out smarted it once he can do it again. It’s not like Pein could move fast in his enormous walker. Yes he have all jutsus. But still we know his techniques as a group but not alone.
And what do u think Pein would have done if Naruto hadn’t come to him. He wouldve ran. Well retreated. Which means lost. It was his plan or he wouldn’t have been soo shocked Naruto found his exact location. So he thought he could kill Naruto once he showed up. And I know the Itachi story he had no intentions on killing sasuke. Both Sacrifices. Pein only sacrificed himself to bring back the dead. Those he killed. So I still wonder why didn’t he bring back Ero-Senin. Oh they burned him. Amost forgot. Bastard. Naruto saved the village by defeating Pein and by convincing him there is another way to bring peace and kiling one another was not the answer.
22 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 16, 2009 at 4:32 am
it doesn’t because he’s not controlling them. He tells them what to do. And they are clones. They’re not real. Not real bodies he’s contrlling. That’s only a jutsu. You don’t see his clones using rasengans. They only use taijutsu. Or help him with rasengan. He don’t send his clones out to win his battles. They have equal power but it’s him. It’s him. He’s not controlling them. U can look at that and say he’s the hokage and the clones are his nin sent on a mission. Maybe that was a bad example. Lol. But Madara controlled the fox. It’s real. It has a soul. It doesn’t go poof. Peins bodies are dead but real. Doesn’t go poof. He controlled them all. Naruto clones go poof. They’re not real. U can touch them but they go poof. They’re not puppets. More as illusions. They’re in battle together. On the battlefield at the sametime. So they’re like apart of his own team and his team leader. Pein isn’t on the battlefield so if the bodies lose he lose. Madara wasn’t on the battlefield so Fox lost so he lost. Naruto is on The battlefield. So it consides them a team.
And something not dealing with this. I remembered that Amaterasu can be put out. Jiriaya put out what was left of the Flames when Itachi and Kisame escaped. Using a seal. Rmemeber. Just a thought since Sasuke wants to try somethig out with Amaterasu. And Jiriaya gave Kakashi a talk about seals. And Yamato is good at seals himself. Maybe they can out it out.
23 Minato Namikaze // Aug 16, 2009 at 2:24 pm
The jutsu that Pein used to revived souls were for people who had recently passed out. It’s not for an infinite time period. That’s why Jiraiya and others remained dead. There is always a type of limitation on jutsus of that nature. That’s why Madara needed Pein around. His Rinnegan possessed that jutsu. So that if anything happened to him, like him really dying… Pein could instantly revive him.
24 Minato Namikaze // Aug 16, 2009 at 2:30 pm
And everybody sees Nagato in his machine corrected? His body is mostly emaciated. So I seriously doubt his real body could move much, hence I believe that’s why he used his Rinnegan to make the bodies to do his bidding. Summoning that Gedo statue… He was impaled by it the first time. That’s probably the reason his real body is so weak. We know that the greater the jutsu.. The greater the risk. So, that tachnique should be rated beyond S-rank…
25 Pein // Aug 16, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Lets go here 1st madara retreated after he lost control of the fox, he ran, he left, he bounced… whatever way you want to say it… the greater point being he didn’t stay around to complete the battle he started, that’s why its an L… Had he come out and finished the job and was successful then we wouldn’t be discussing this, lets leave it alone now, I m right…
The clones are naruto’s army when he needs back up or time to think @ the end of the day they are his puppets I’ve never saw naruto summon a clone and it just say I m out I don’t feel like fighting… They do exactly what he wants them to do, and they are also able to break out the fox and grow tails, did you forget that?? they can also use rasengan, did you forget that?? why do you think he uses them to train???…
but beating them doesn’t count as a win for his opponent, I am right on this either way you look at it- puppet/ puppet master…
The bodies are already dead thank you for realizing that, that’s why beating a dead person doesn’t count as a win now you admit that by accident… Each body is not as strong as negato he posses all jutsus they each posses just 1…
You can’t prove naruto can heal a vital damage so lets not discuss that any further and everyone knows sasuke missed his heart with the chidori or naruto would be dead…
You’re starting to make naruto sound like cell…
Negato was never trying to kill naruto even naruto knew that, that is why he let Negato stab him with the chackra rod the last time…
When Negato said then lets finish this, that was the moment had naruto said okay he would have killed naruto that was the only moment he contemplated killing naruto…
Regardless if Pein was on the battlefield or not he waited for naruto to find him he didn’t flee so you trying to use my analogy against me doesn’t work… I saw through that jutsu
and I already said naruto saved the village so why bring that up??
Also the 6 tailed beast is exactly that a beast with claws and chackra for skin, naruto in sage fox is still a man… you’re still trying to sell a theory that cannot be proven…
Gedo on the other hand does exist and Kishi showed him for a reason, Peins ultimate attack This is what he can do and this is why he’s the way he is right now immobile from the waist down, but Gedo was still his move to use…
Pein died undefeated…. You don’t have an answer you have speculations thoughts theories but nothing concrete…
We’ll agree to disagree but I m too right to be wrong
26 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 16, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Okay for starters. You proved my point. Naruto summons them for backup in other word for a team just like a 3man 4man cell however many. That’s just like if u beat one man on a team it’s not a win cause u have to beat the team in order to claim vicotry. Because in a regular team battle you have support from your teammates. Backup. Pein wasn’t their so it’s totally different.
Now I thnk ur being indenial. U said u can’t win against a dead body. Come on. U can’t win against a dead body but u can lose to one right. A dead body can kill. And for records. All those bodies can use different jutsus they were all just stronger in one field of jutsu. So that’s why there were different realms. But Naruto won against the bodies fair and square u said it. Everyone knows that. Don’t go back on ur word. And if it’s fighting using jutsu and talking if u beat it it’s a win. So if I play Resident Evil5 and make it through the game and see credits it’s not over cause everyone was dead. I didn’t really beat the game cause I can’t claim victory over dead bodies. Yeah right. If it comes at me with an intent to kill and I immobilize it put it out of commission that’s victory. Chojis mom is singig somewhere. So don’t even try and go there.
And u can basically say the bodies were stronger. Together. When in battle together. They posses all his jutsu. They can move they can run. Minato proved this point for me in his comment above. Like he said his body is in a weak state. So he’s at an advantage using the bodies.
And all I say with the organs is his heart started beating again.
We both know Pein was going at him with the intent to kill after destroying the fifth body. If it’s the strongest opponent u ever faced u have to go at it with the intent to kill. Just like Sasuke using Amaterasu on killer bee. He didn’t think he would put those flames out. That’s an intent to kill. And with the jutsu Pein was using he was as well. And if ur going at someone with the intent to kill then killing is on ur mind. And he would not have killed Naruto. Now ur underestimating him. Naruto could summon 5000 clones and go after Pein. With the state he was in it could be more considering summoning 1000 with normal chakra. Pein can’t move so that’s a major disadvantage. It’s not hard to hit a target that’s sitting there only moving it’s mouth and hands. And he has a limit with chakra. Naruto doesn’t have a limit. His chakra is great though. You act as if he would have killed Naruto with a move of a finger.
You’re right. He waited cause he thought he could have controlled his chakra. Reason he through the receiver at him. And it’s a different. He wasn’t on the battlefield so he’s a puppet master. He lost. His last battle. He know he lost so why can’t u accept that. And u can’t sell a theory of Pein defeating Naruto. And ur right it’s a beast. And he is 3rd beast 3rd sage 3rd man. Lol. I’m not saying he’s not human. I just said u don’t know how strong that is so don’t underestimate it like ur doing cause he beat 6bodies with sage mode and regular self.
And I never said Gedo didn’t exist. So where did that come from. He is synced with Gedo. U don’t even know much about Gedo. Except that it’s a soul snatcher.
And what u say is immune to my points. You try and twists in what I say and stretch my words. Keep saying speculation this and that when it’s obvious u don’t read ur own comments. Ur showing signs of defeat by throwing in u can’t win against a dead body. That was foul and weak. I expected better from u. And thoughts??? Seriously. What do u think all comments are. All theories are. Your comments are thoughts. Pein beating Naruto is a thought a theory. It didn’t happen so what do u think that is. So don’t try to out all the dead weight on me keep ur on weight. Just realize we both we all have theories and thoughts. The Neji vs Sasuke thing was based on theories and thoughts and speculations. Think before u type. Ur only showing signs man.
Only shinobi to die undefeated was Itachi. Oh! Did Minato ever lose a battle?? Cause he sacrificed himself similar to Itachi.
27 Minato Namikaze // Aug 16, 2009 at 8:44 pm
GNR @ “you can’t beat a dead body but you can lose to one”. This has suddenly become very interesting. Both parties feel very strongly in their argument. Pein seems to have had the upperhand for a while and even seemed to be a little irritated that 8th was pushing his ideas around, but stood firm and presented his case. 8th didn’t do the same right away but he just shot back with venom!!! The debate rages on… Guru Discussions are raging on..
28 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 16, 2009 at 10:17 pm
A lost is a lost meaning a win is a win. He chose to retreat. So that’s his lost. Madara lost. So how can u say u are right when I say he lost to. So we are right. Don’t try and put yourself above. But him retreating didn’t signify his lost. When the fox was capture and sealed that signified his lost. He had not intent on attcking himself. It’s just as if he was never there which he wasn’t. He was probably in the forest somewhere. Just in range. Madara knows he lost Pein Madara Konan Zetsu the whole shinobi world know Pein lost. But still u refuse to admit it. It is what it isand in the manga he lost. When the fight was over we were all on here saying that he beat him he won yadayadayada. Even the person you admire on here and want recognition from. Madara slash Minato slash Kobe. Lol.
Example: we yes. We as in all cept sasugay say. All Naruto had to do was go to a second tail and he could have beaten Sasuke. He didn’t. So it’s thought theory speculation. But you’re the one seeing this from one side. Pein slash Negatos side. Being a follower. U say Pein could have hit an organ. But he didn’t. So move past that. U say the bodies had half life lost. It’s dead remember. How can something dead lose half it’s life?? Seriously answer that one. As much hell as those bodies went through especially Yahiko, he showed no sign of fatigue injury life lost or anything. But still he lost. Pein lost.
This may be my last time. Might. Say Madara and Pein had a wager about whose eyes are the strongest. Pein has his 6bodies. Madara has: Itachi Sasuke Kakashi Obito Shisui and Izuna. Madara has Shisuis technique of controlling the mind. So he’s controlling them. Last two standing Yahiko and Itachi of course. Itachi wins still undefeated. Which means Madara wins. Hebeats Pein. Why? Cause Pein was contrlling them. I’m bored with this now seriously.
29 Pein // Aug 17, 2009 at 3:22 am
We said mad lost for different reasons, now you must’ve missed that, that is the only reason I mentioned it, the fox getting loose from his control didn’t signify a loss by any means, that didn’t do shit to Madara he didn’t get injured by that lol…
the fact that he retreated signified his loss and that is the only reason he caught a L from that…
It seems you’re just looking for a reason to be right the whole naruto back up garbage, are you serious??? first you tried to say they didn’t have the same strength as naruto , i proved you wrong, then you said he has no control over them, I shut you down again, now you say oh you said they were back up…
yeah but naruto’s back up, he’s the leader, the point is you have to beat naruto or else he’ll just make more… i didn’t know I had to elaborate lol…
the six bodies are strong yes and it means a lot to beat them yes, naruto’s very strong this discussion isn’t about that… my point is negato could get another six bodies to do the same thing but he would’ve had to retreat and he could’ve but he didn’t…
He was willing to engage and instead he told his story naruto had him believe in him then he changed his mind, there was never a battle… how do you win without a battle??? you’ll say oh but he beat the bodies and he had this whole sage fox thing going and his organs are immortal lol, not even madara is immortal…
Naruto didn’t fight negato and he didn’t even budge when naruto ran at him as if he were going to punch him, Gedo would’ve killed naruto unless now you say oh but his soul could heal lol…
stop it already, they never actually fought that is why Pein Negato didn’t get defeated… That is the point, how can you even begin to argue with that, all i m saying is if they did naruto would have been just as dead as jiriaya… but they didn’t so naruto can’t claim oh yeah I went to that tree and bust Pein’s ass, because I didn’t read that shit nor did anyone else…
I m right, now try and argue with that…
30 Pein // Aug 17, 2009 at 3:36 am
and it looks like since you don’t have a concrete point you’re looking for so much to say something’s that don’t even belong in this discussion… you want kishi to make naruto immortal and make naruto an immovable object in sage fox mode and have an imaginary battle between negato and naruto okay but it didn’t happen…
I’ve been saying it the whole time naruto didn’t beat negato so negato dies undefeated… Now what you’re saying is naruto won on a technicality and i m saying it isn’t valid… You say oh but Pein didn’t stab naruto in the organs and naruto didn’t go to 2 tails against sasuke so why talk about it…
Well naruto didn’t hit negato so why are you talking about it???
Now go follow naruto and hope for the best, this discussion has been washed under a barrel, but i know you will respond…
31 Pein // Aug 17, 2009 at 3:39 am
and your whole madara pein itachi whatever analogy didn’t even make sense… I don’t even want to know what it meant
32 Pein // Aug 17, 2009 at 3:41 am
and since when have I wanted recognition from anybody??? you must have me confused with you… You’re making personal attacks lol just noticed that… I’ve witnessed losers doing that a lot
33 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 17, 2009 at 5:33 am
I never said they had more strength than Naruto or not equal to his strength please tell me where I said that. And how can u say he lost for different reasons if u say he only lost by retreating. And controlling the fox was his attack on the village. And like I said u get confused and twist my words. I said it’s not like he sits there and control them. He fights with them. I said he doesn’t sit back in the shadows and watch them fight. I said he fights with them. You didn’t prove me wong. Stop mixing my words. To make it seem as if u proved me wrong. And that’s what I said. You have to beat him. I said he don’t got poof. I said he’s like the leader of the team. I said he’s the team leader captain. Kapesh!! Like I said ur twisting my words and wanna make it seem like u prove me wrong but prove ur ignorance. I never said he was immortal. Ur the one who brought the whole battle thing about saying PeiN could have killed him there. Print could have killed him with Yahiko. You brought that up so tell that to ur self out loud. And now the bodies are strong. I proved u wrong there or u either read minatos comment and became convinced all of a sudden. And he had a look on his face as if his end was near. He didn’t keep a serious look on his face. U know that. And why do u keep on bringing up this gedo thing. You don’t even know if he had the strength to do such thing. He was already cutting through his life span enough in the battle and using gedo for one person couldve took another massive tole. You don’t know much about gedo for the last time. Or u the king of hell since u keep bringing him up. Be serious. If wrong. Naruto is stronger than Jiriaya. He basically took out more than one body now didn’t he. That’s without fusing with ma and pa toad. He defeated them. Like it was said he surpassed them. Ur not right. I can argue with u anygiven time cause there are alwYs holes with u. And ur just stuck on A worn out Pein alotmof chakra used Pein a sit in my electric walker Pein could beat Naruto. Why are u stuck on that. What’s wrong with u?? TTS- Thoughts Theories and Speculation. Oh crap u do it to. Wow I’m shocked at that one. And if they never fought how can u claim victory. I never claimed victory for Naruto. I only defended him saying u don’t know that. U don’t know how strong his sagefox mode is. You’re e only one here contradicting yourself here by saying they never fought In the paper tree so u can’t claim victory. When right after that u say Pein would win claiming victory. And ur right it didn’t happen I know thar but again tell urself that out loud. It didn’t happen so stop saying Pein would have won anyway. And I never said he was immovable. I only stated we didn’t know because maybe it was the foxs chakra he couldn’t move. So again stop twisting my words to make it seem like ur right. The point with the analogy was how bored inwas with this now. It made since to me though. Although I admit that it’s crazy. Oh and Negato didn’t beat Naruto so why are u claiming victory??
Because u just pop on here time to time saying. Right Madara. U did it last ep. Or this ep. Idk. And it’s not personal. It’s just that if he says something it’s right. Like what he said about the bodies. And now u say they are strong and the must have 100% life when they fought Naruto. It’s not personal. It’s not that serious to get personal. Oh and yeah I respond. Ppl just say ur the type that always has something to say. And that I am. If I’m wrong i admit I’m wrong. Even though that’s still somehing to say. Lol.
34 Minato Namikaze // Aug 17, 2009 at 1:35 pm
And the battle continues. Lol
35 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 17, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Minato. Question?? Did I die undefeated??
36 Pein // Aug 17, 2009 at 2:22 pm
LMAO don’t direct your foolery at minato… Your stupid ass is getting mad like I said negato beat naruto I never said that, i just said naruto never beat Negato the true Pein… they never fought battled went fist to cuffs lmao!!!
Negato die never losing a battle… He died losing a debate LMAO!… but konan never said don’t speak so harshly towards pein he’s never lost a argument… he never lost a FIGHT… and still hasn’t yes he was taken to his limit trying to bring the fox back but he didn’t actually get a hand put on him just like itachi lol…
All i m saying had naruto went to put a hand on him he would have lost his soul most likely but that wasn’t the real discussion…
37 Pein // Aug 17, 2009 at 2:29 pm
you talk about healing his organs if you can do that then you’re immortal… so you don’t have to actually say he’s immortal it is implied get it??? Probably not… you know the brain is an organ so i m guessing you would say he can heal that shit also??? and you did say you never saw a shadow clone do a rasengan which was in response to me saying that posses the same strength as naruto… therefore you were IMPLYING that they do not posses the same strength as him and you were WRONG… get it?? probably not… and I said pein most likely would have shinra tensei’d naruto and you then say well he had the sage fox form and a lot of chackra… IMPLYING that pein wouldn’t be able to do that but there is NO BASIS behind that you’re just making something up to sound right… get it… just say no lol…
38 Pein // Aug 17, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Yes I do say madara from time to time, because i know he has his cheer leaders on here “I wait for madara to confirm the spoilers before I believe them” (8th 2009) Figure he might as well break the news to you when you’re wrong rather than let you dig aa hole for yourself…
39 Pein // Aug 17, 2009 at 2:35 pm
and your form of speculating is making shit up I should have said so you would understand… the neji v sasuke thing was based on moves they actually possessed not moves we wish they had… that is the difference, speculation with documentation is my modo LMAO!!
40 Pein // Aug 17, 2009 at 2:41 pm
“By all means if you send your puppets to fight for you and they lose you lose.” (8th 2009)
“I never claimed victory for Naruto” (8th’s contradiction 2009)
Give it up buddy you can’t even keep track of what you say…
41 Pein // Aug 17, 2009 at 2:44 pm
and the guy brought the whole village back to life and you question whether he can summon Gedo??? lol
42 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 17, 2009 at 2:59 pm
At this little madara thing. Yeah I said that. U know and everyone else that’s been on here for a while know he has been putting spoilers on here. I put spoilers on that I thought was real but wasn’t. His was always accurate. I admitted to that. So yeah I said I’ll wait til madara confirms a spoiler. What was that suppose to do something to me?? Yeah yeah u hit me where it doesn’t hurt the most with that one.
43 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 17, 2009 at 3:11 pm
I do keep track of what I say. Like since this started u twist my words to make it sound lime ur right.
Again with this. Yes I said if u send ur puppets to fight and u lose then u lose. And yes I said I never claimed victory for Naruto. When I said that I was talking about the main topic of this. Naruto vs Negato himself. I never claimed that Naruto would beat Negato in person. I only defended him saying u don’t know. U claimed victory of that. I didn’t. U said Pein Negato would of won. I never said if Naruto would have fought Negato then he would win. I defended him never saying Naruto would win he would win easily. So u keep track. Stop twisting my words okay!! Do u get it now. And with the Madara issue. I admit he knows more than me. At a point I believed u did as well. But just because u know more doesn’t mean u can win a debate. Doesn’t mean everything u say is right. Doesn’t mean what u say is what it is. Doesn’t mean if u say it then there is no other options. Here we all bend Kishis series of what we would want it to be like u saying Pein woulda beat Naruto. We both saying Neji would be Sasuke.
But I’m not goig to ride him like u! Enough with him. He proved me wrong with spoilers proved u wrong on points in this debate. So enough with him. Remove the latex.
44 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 17, 2009 at 3:18 pm
how did i direct anything at him! i never said u said he beat him. i just said u said that he would beat him which your only solution to that is his sould will get snatch blah blah! gedo this gedo that. and we both know they never went hand to hand combat! if u look at it this way! we only known him Negato to fight one fight! thats when he first summoned Gedo! the rest of his fights were with the dead half life bodies according to u! so when she mention that he never lost a battle its the bodies that never really actually lost a battle. Not him Negato himself! She’s talking bout Yahiko again being controlled by Negato! Saying Pein using the bodies never lost a battle! whoa! got u there! u didnt think about that one right!
and i know he’s not immortal! Using the fox chakra cuts his lifespan. if ur lifespan can be cut ur not immortal! im not saying he heals them and their like new! hell he’s still aging! if thats the case he wouldnt age! It takes time for him to heal a wound so i know it would take more time to heal an organ! oh his heart started beating again!
okay and i was saying they i never seen them do a rasengan. i said that! but i didnt make as if they didnt possess the same strength as him! i was saying they are his backup his assets. they help him make his rasengans in battle.
and im not making something up! ur saying he would just used gedo is made up tomake it seem as if he would win. if he really would have used gedo he woulda just used it on the village probably! and only say sagefox because he now was controlling the foxs chakra and maybe he couldnt use shinra on him just like he couldnt use it on the 6tails. i only said he maybe cant use it against the fox chakra..thats all i was saying. i never said he couldnt never said he could. i said maybe but i also said if he could have used it naruto probably would just counter it again like he did before. do u get that after this long debate.
im not making things up! hell i only stated moves/jutsus they both possessed themselves.
SERIOUSLY ANSWER THIS? i answer your questiions so answer mines. What moves did i mention that i wish Naruto or Negato possess? please dont say the healing organs thing! just leave that alone! we’re past that! and i guess i used your own modo against u! I never said anything like Naruto can summon a King of Heaven Statue to fight against Gedo or anything.!
and im far from a cheerleader! im not on here saying madara this madara that! when i want something ask i dont say madara do u think this r that! I post a question for the forum to answer because i want everyones opinion! i asked him a few questions on here before because i respect his knoweldge. but my questions go to the forum! i dont need his consent! its not that serious to me! im here for the excitement and because i love naruto
45 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 17, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Can he summon what he’s synced to already!? As bad as he looks if he can summon it again he probably would die! which u think i question if he can summon it in a different way! i just wonder if he can summon it if he’s sync’d to it? i can see if he wasnt! and i did doubt that he could because of all the chakra he used! but takin a life to restore a life doesnt take much chakra although it was a lot! chiyo only had about .25% of her chakra and brought Gaara back to life!
46 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 17, 2009 at 3:52 pm
and it was not the whole village!
47 Itachi Uchiha-GUE // Aug 17, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Who wouldhave thought gurus would go at it like this. Is that what u guys call yourselves her right?? I return here after a good while and this what I return to. Wow. Seems as if both of you are cock’d teased! Madara must gave someone a meatcock sandwich. Lol. GUR!! Yeah I have black friends so I know what GNR means but I say Gotta Uchiha Rollin. Lol. But the debate is a good one. Negaytowas talking about thoughts and theories and gibbarish. And making stuff up!! Me and Madaras debate was all about that as well. So ur both riding but ur riding the most. GUR!! and 8th Hocockage. I’ll give u the upper hand cause it’s not hard to see how he twist your words up and your anaolgies makes no sense. And it’s respect that you admitted to some of the things even that your opponent has a bigger brain than u when it comes to Naruto this debate should end and yes Minato did die undefeated as well. And let’s see if this works.
I could have defeated Minato. Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!
48 Pein // Aug 17, 2009 at 9:13 pm
This debate isn’t a good one, I m right he’s wrong but he’s just looking for something to say…
“Yes I said if u send ur puppets to fight and u lose then u lose. And yes I said I never claimed victory for Naruto.”
“When I said that I was talking about the main topic of this. Naruto vs Negato himself”
WTF are you saying lmao!!! hasn’t this whole debate been about naruto vs negato, who the hell do you think Pein is??? You said you never claimed victory for naruto but then you say negato lost because his puppets lost… You and whomever doesn’t see the sheer contradiction in that… Pathetic lol..
Pose this question to yourself STFU!! LMAO only kidding… You tried to make a good run at me but to no avail you’re wrong my friend…
And Itachi Gue who just called you all kinds of cocks stuck up for you…
This guys the King of making shit up no wonder he’s giving you the upper hand lol… there was never any Guru battle here I made my point you’ve challeneged and fallen just leave it alone…
49 Pein // Aug 17, 2009 at 9:17 pm
one thing is clear it would take more energy to bring somebody back to life than it would to take it… and chiyo didn’t bring Gaara back to life on her own buddy naruto’s immense chackra was the only reason why she was successful and her ass died, took too much energy but had she just snatched his soul, do I serioulsy have to finish that thought?? lol
50 Pein // Aug 17, 2009 at 9:44 pm
and I don’t know what your definition of twisting words is but pointing out the things you say and breaking them down shouldn’t be it… No speculation without documentation lol… you don’t know what naruto can do in sage fox mode so do not pretend to know, you never saw naruto get his organs severly dmaged and him just heal so please stop making things up…
At least when Gue made things up they sounded interesting lmao
51 Pein // Aug 17, 2009 at 9:48 pm
and how Gedo was made up?? thats a move Negato actually posessed… do you even understand what made up is?? just say no lol
52 Pein // Aug 17, 2009 at 9:49 pm
and her saying Pein lost a battle mean’t Pein never lost a battle not Peins vessels never lost a battle… You see what you did there was called twisting words okay… get it??? probably not
53 Pein // Aug 17, 2009 at 9:50 pm
coreection her saying Pein never lost a battle meant Pein never lost a battle…
54 Pein // Aug 17, 2009 at 9:54 pm
and I never believed madara knew more than me buddy save that comment for yourself LMAO Original Gurus Big Kev, Pein, Madara, and Voice, aligned by way of when each came in…. Madara knows more than you buddy them same spoilers he reads I read too and last I checked we read the same manga… Lol like I said you=cheerleader
55 Pein // Aug 17, 2009 at 9:59 pm
and you’ve admitted being wrong in this battle more time than not… that’s because you were ACTUALLY WRONG lol… i’ve never said it once because you haven’t said anything that made me think you could come close to right…
56 Minato Uchiha // Aug 17, 2009 at 10:18 pm
The debate has reached a fever pitch. And why for the love of Naruto did Itachi come back and he now sounds like Sasuke… Something’s definitely wrong here. Madara’s name was mentioned like 15 times in the last 10 posts. He must have become popular. Seemed like all the emos hated him too. What a popularity surge. Lol @ Pein bringing up comments of 8th contradicting himself. @ 8th.. I don’t know if you died undefeated. I thought you were still alive lol
57 Pein // Aug 17, 2009 at 11:18 pm
Lmao!! not a single one of my comments posted, let me summarize them… I’ve never felt madara knows more than me we read the same spoilers and the same manga, He knows more than your ass buddy, You’re a cheerleader
the king of making shit up Gue is defending you, lol he’s knows you’re trying to follow his footsteps… @ least his made up stories are interesting…
This isn’t a guru battle, I’ve never had to admit once that I was wrong, because i am not, you have because you are… Laughable…
Negato lost because his puppets lost, but I don’t claim victory for naruto… Contradictory nonsense what is wrong with you???
chiyohad 25% chackra left but her technique combined with naruto’s chackra saved gaara, like the way you left that out… and it does take more chackra to give life than it does to take it, that’s just common sense…
And when Konan spoke of Pein never being the defeated she said pein has never been defeated not his vessels have never been defeated, that is what you call twisting words, not taking someones statement and breaking it down… get it?? just say you don’t lol
and i stated actual moves that Pein possesed by name, you made shit up naruto healing his organs based on what you never saw naruto fight in sage fox mode so how can you say what he can do?? it’s called made up shit… you can’t understand lmao…
You lost man just take it how it is… You’re a Guru of a lesser bread, love naruto I don’t blame you he’s the main character on the show but don’t talk about things you don’t know or can even make reasonable
58 Pein // Aug 17, 2009 at 11:32 pm
and Itachi Gue, half of the time…. you thought you would get a complete response lol
59 Pein // Aug 17, 2009 at 11:40 pm
I will say this although me and 8th are having our debate, this is not free reign for fag’s to get involved please keep your emosexual fantasies to yourself
60 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 18, 2009 at 12:14 am
Dude I never said what he can do in sage+fox. I said we don’t know how strong it is. That’s all i said. Comprehensive skills man. When someone knows what kishi says himself yadayadayada. When I came to this site I never read the manga. I was catching up on episodes. I didn’t start reading the manga until the beginning of last year. Round the time where they are in the anime now. Why do I constantly out words in my mouth. I never said he knew more than you. I don’t care if u or he knows more than me. I’m here cause I’m a fan and I enjoy the comments. The. Debates. If u knowore than me then hooray. It’s not that serious dude. Naruto isn’t my life. Life Goes On!! That’s my motto. U never comprehend. I was saying I never claimed victory as of Naruto fighting Pein. Negato when talking to him in the tree. The reason we are debating. You said Pein or Negato whatever u wanna use would beat Naruto. I said u claimed victory I never claimed victory of Naruto beating him in a fight we never saw. Do u get that or do I have to break it down more. And I said maybe never said he actually cut. Even if he can’t. Yay. Who cares. And sagefox exist. Again I only said we don’t know how strong it is. Where did I say something about it that doesn’t exist. Pein beating Naruto doesn’t exist bit u keep yapping about it. Wow. Guru of a lesser BREAD. but I know what u meant. Breed. And that’s not that serious either.
And love the last comment. I mentioned that before we even got serious here. No fags allowed. Itachis emo-trippin.
But i didn’t lose!
61 Madara Uchiha // Aug 18, 2009 at 2:47 am
I keep seeing my name recently. I am oh so flattered. My vacation has brought my name up numerous times. I can’t complain about that. It feels good to be recognized by other gurus in the middle of debates and what not. But, the last living, breathing Uchiha.. Is back!!! Madara has spoken!!! _-Thunderclaps over his Mangekyou Sharingan_-..
62 Madara Uchiha // Aug 18, 2009 at 2:51 am
I’ve just noticed that this entire forum has been because of this debate. Kudos to Pein and 8th for holding it down.
63 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 18, 2009 at 6:01 am
Yeah. It was me that brought u up! Pein thinks I’m kissin butt becuase i realize and acknoweldge you have more knoweldge about Naruto thaN me. Which is really not that big of adeal to me. I would say he probably knows more. But that’s not as serious as he’s making it. But it’s nothing serious. And yeah we are holding it down. He’s trying to revoke my status but it’s still all love here. I love the debate. I like debating with knoweldgeable ppl. You learn more that way. And get different perspectives. So. I still got love for ya Pein. No biggy even though it was a little intense. In the end it’s respsect still.
Oh I seen Itachi is tryna start something with Minato. Do it’s as if he comes here to start something. We need to leave him alone cause I think he likes gangbangs. Lol. He enjoyed everyone here getting on here blasting him. And tryna at wood to the fire of me and Pein which was nullified.
64 Pein // Aug 18, 2009 at 2:13 pm
“I admit he knows more than me. At a point I believed u did as well.”
“I never said he knew more than you.”
no matter the way you phrased it you still said it… You see the problem with you is that you do not know how to get your thoughts across, you repeat something over and over the wrong way… If you want to say naruto didn’t beat pein up in the tree so he didn’t beat negato but he did beat the 6 bodies so in a way he won then say that… but not
“By all means if you send your puppets to fight for you and they lose you lose.” (8th 2009)
“I never claimed victory for Naruto” (8th’s contradiction 2009)
because that shit doesn’t make sense brother… At the end of the day you agree then that naruto Did not defeat Pein, so I was right…
Now with the Pein(negato) naruto if they had a final battle… all you had to say is naruto seems to be really strong in sage fox mode so maybe Pein couldn’t just beat him like you think… that’s better than saying i think he can heal his organs and he probably won’t be moved by shinra tensei because that is bullshit… okay… I still know that no one on this show so far can beat “Kuchiyose Gedo Mazo” or the “Susanoo” the ultimate moves of two of the strongest characters… until you have something that is definite that says nah he couldn’t summon it or naruto can do this or that, don’t try and argue a point with no boundaries…
So at the end of the day no matter what you may want to say it still can not be reasonably argued…
PEIN DIED UNDEFEATED EVERYONE LMAO!!
The Big SHOT!!! lol
65 Might Guy // Aug 18, 2009 at 2:13 pm
wow i open up this page an my screen starts smokin… LOL
@ GUE (I have black friends)
That is very racist. i’m sure that there is some black person that doesn’t know what that means.
66 Pein // Aug 18, 2009 at 2:17 pm
I think this debate has come to an end, emo’s saw their way out of the forum do to this lol
67 Pein // Aug 18, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Lol @ guy I didn’t get it either Gue just needed something to say
68 Madara Uchiha // Aug 18, 2009 at 4:16 pm
The return of the “Big Shot”. Haven’t seen that one in quite a while. Looks like this battle is just about over. Guess this is the point where Pein has beat Naruto half-way to death and captured him for the Bijuu-sealing. It was a remarkable fight thought. The whole forum gave way as two Gurus did battle. Pein’s still undefeated I guess. Lol. @ Itachi… Racist comments don’t really mean anything. There’s quite a few on this forum that post occasionally and frequently that are not Caucasian.
69 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 18, 2009 at 4:22 pm
U just don’t comprehend well. At the end of the day I still don’t comprehend. Let me see if ubget it this way. This debate started or the focus point was you saying Negato woulda beat Naruto in the tree. Something that never happened. I defended him saying u don’t know that. Saying I never claimed victory foe Naruto in a fight you wish happened. If it had happened it would have been a rematch. But yes still he beat the bodies so he beat Pein. Don’t confuse yourself. I’m saying I claim no victory in a fight that would only exist in a Naruto video game. Not in the manga or anime. That’s not contradicting. Just say lack of comprehensive skills. Pein didn’t die undefeated. And u don’t know if gedo can be defeated or not. None of us no. Perfect jutsu have a weakness. We don’t know much about it. Like I admitted to not knowing much about sagefox. Yes Gedo is strong but you don’t know anything about it but that it snatches souls. From what I know only 8 r 9 of those things come out to snatch souls. But it’s a freaking statue. You act as if it’s made of adamantine or however u spell it. But you tell me that I don’t know much about sagefox and it doesn’t mean anything but here u are not knowing a thing about Gedo except 3certain facts. It’s a statue someone has to be synced and it snatches souls. And it’s what they use to extract the bijuu.
But u are right about the emos they have abandoned the site cause usually they woulda popped on here and said a few
@Guy
just ignore the guy. He gets no attention.
70 Madara Uchiha // Aug 18, 2009 at 4:51 pm
I post these two questions… Well one is… And the other is a different kind of response. I want to know everyone’s answer on.. What’s stronger… Susano’o.. Or Gedo Mazo… Also… I want to know what are your theories on what are the strongest techs in Naruto.. As far as Ninjutsu tech, Taijutsu tech and Genjutsu…
71 Might Guy // Aug 18, 2009 at 5:56 pm
I THINK susano’o is stronger maybe
#2 ninjutsu (idk)
taijutsu (hidden lotus)
Genjutsu (idk)
72 NARUTO NAMIZAKE // Aug 18, 2009 at 7:35 pm
i remember jiraya saying that rasengan was the second strongest jutsu of all time but…
yea i second that susano`o would be stronger
taijutsu would be the 8 gates or hidden lotus
genjutsu … anything of itachis
73 NARUTO NAMIZAKE // Aug 18, 2009 at 7:36 pm
gedo mazo ummm idk
74 NARUTO NAMIZAKE // Aug 18, 2009 at 7:37 pm
that gedo mazo beast was pretty g but it wasnt that great of a technique
75 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 18, 2009 at 8:04 pm
I would say susanoo as well cause it’s more defensive and a good offense is a great defense.
Taijutsu would be hidden lotus.
Genjutsu. Would be Tsukyomi of course. Roam your nightmare for72hours
Ninjutsu is a hard one but if rasengan is truly the second strongest then rasen-shuriken would he first but I don’t know if it is but I did here about this legendary rainbow rasengan where he infuses the foxs chakra but only stories so far. But RS maybe because of the effects. Reaper Seal was quite strong even though it takes both lives. Ok it has to be out of these 3
RS
Chibaku Tensei
and put a 3rd in. Lol.
I just thought about this. And please comment. Itachi and Haku had to be the two most promising ninjas. Itachi could do genjutsu with one finger. And Haku can perform ninjutsu with one hand. And name other shinobi that u seen do it. He could have easily killed both Naruto and Sasuke. But I guess
76 Pein // Aug 18, 2009 at 9:46 pm
lol I like the way this guy tried to flip his own words lol… doesn’t work, any fool with a brain could tell you weren’t talking about Pein in the tree and the speculatory fight… and if you were learn how to speak…
and regardless of what i don’t know about Gedo I went on what I do know…
He’s huge, He extracts souls, He couldn’t be touched and an entire army lead by possibly one the great ninja’s in this manga could not defeat it, they could only retreat… so at least I know something unlike you… you had nothing to go on yet insisted on creating a debate…
and just based on the sheer amount of ground Gedo covered shows he provided an excellent shield for Negato… and 8th Gedo is not what is used to extract the bijuu that was an assumption… Realize this Pein possesed the same eyes that started ninjitsu itself and yet you’re actually questioning what he could have possibly had up his sleeve??? Gedo kills naruto Lol end of manga…
77 Pein // Aug 18, 2009 at 9:57 pm
Gedo and the susanoo, essentially did the same thing extracted souls and were like egytian god cards I couldn’t say which was stronger but i could say this Gedo came at the cost of Peins body, the susanoo came at the cost of itachi’s eyes … rasengan doesn’t even fall into the same category
78 Pein // Aug 18, 2009 at 9:59 pm
8th if you mean to say naruto won on points because he beat the 6 bodies, check this… Pein destroyed all of Konoha, Hokage and assistant included, both naruto’s mentors and his bitch, fought naruto afterwards and brought the whole village back to life… so who won on points?
79 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 18, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Rasengan was what I mentioned about the
best ninjutsu. Not in discussion with gedo and susanoo.
And u just don’t comprehend
80 Pein // Aug 18, 2009 at 10:03 pm
Talk about what some guys could do look @ what he did… The guy possesed the eyes that created all of ninjutsu and you question how strong he was?? and whether or not he could’ve killed naruto??? give me a break… lets not forget he created those 30% clones of Itachi and Kisame… I don’t even think we began to see the extent of his abilities
81 Pein // Aug 18, 2009 at 10:04 pm
“i remember jiraya saying that rasengan was the second strongest jutsu of all time but…
yea i second that susano`o would be stronger” (8th)
come on give me a break
82 Pein // Aug 18, 2009 at 10:04 pm
stop flipping your own words that shit doesn’t really work
83 Pein // Aug 18, 2009 at 10:13 pm
oh shit lol that wasn’t even you, that was the other naruto
84 Pein // Aug 18, 2009 at 10:14 pm
you got your first with there congrats
85 Pein // Aug 18, 2009 at 10:17 pm
No matter you’ve been wrong about everything else why not include that and chibaku tensei is ninjutsu pretty much stronger than the rasengan
86 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 18, 2009 at 10:19 pm
We weren’t talkin about what he did with everyone else. Just Naruto vs Pein. Why bring all that up. Why still try and make a case if u so called won.
87 Pein // Aug 18, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Obviously you can’t read… and I will not re-explain what’s already there
88 Pein // Aug 18, 2009 at 10:29 pm
never said Pein won in the context that you understood it in read it again
89 Pein // Aug 18, 2009 at 10:30 pm
LMAO why do you still respond to me if you know what you’re talking about???
90 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 18, 2009 at 10:31 pm
I never questioned how strong he was. And yeah I do question if he could have killed Naruto. Apparently he wasn’t the strongest if he’s answering to Madara. Doesn’t that sound ironic. I said plenty of times he’s strong.
And my first win. No. I got u with Naruto being underestimated by Neji. U admitted to that. You changed your mind aabout the six bodies being strong and having half life loss. Since you’re doing it.
“after fighting Jiriaya the bodies had half their life lossed” (Pein2009)
“Their dead bodies so how could you win against dead bodies” (Pein2009) if u can’t win against dead bodies then u can’t win against clones cause they are not alive either. They go poof not oww or that was my kidney. Which u proved urself wrong in ur question about beating Naruto clones is a victory.
And like I said this guy just don’t comprehend. Which is apart of reading skills. Which he failed to read the correct lines. But yeahh I guess
91 Pein // Aug 18, 2009 at 10:32 pm
Lets end this…
@ Mad
You and I were also opponents @ one time, remember that lol
92 Pein // Aug 18, 2009 at 10:37 pm
LMAO @ 8th
Madara and Pein… Madara being the boss?? LMAO… that’s another debate all within itself Look I mean half their lives lost there were 6, 3 died lol pretty easy to understand… and i said the sane shit you said even before you said it, beating the clones doesn’t equal a win just like beating the dead bodies and uuumm.. the clones to say ow before they go poof, you don’t know much, please spare yourself…
93 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 18, 2009 at 10:38 pm
U just mentioned what he did to konoha and hokage and kakashi and jiriaya but I say we weren’t talking about what he did to everyoneelse. And u reply with I can’t read. I do get it. Please explain.
U can’t comprehend. Let me reword this. If u so called won the debate why make a new case about it. Get it now. Never said anything about u saying Pein won.
And now this is contradicting: “LMAO why do you still respond to me if you know what you’re talking about???”(Pein2009) you so called claim victory in this debate yet u still respond to me. Yet u still make a new case. But go ahead and justify this like u do everything else.
94 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 18, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Ok I overestimated your smartness about the clones. So I’ll leave that alone. So ur saying Pein was stronger than Madara?? That he wasn’t answering to him?? I never said u and Mad wasn’t Opponents. Where does that come from?? Their dead so there is no life. And just because they died easily something had to be wrong when he had summon the judging thing that also healed them or made them perfect again. But something dead also meaning no life had half it’s life lost. Wow. And half their lives lost their were 6, 3 died pretty easy. Didn’t make sense what so ever but what a quick excuse. It was easy to see in that comment I was typing from ur point of view. U can’t claim victory over his clones. But u can over Dead bodies because they are real bodies. Clones are not real bodies.
95 Itachi Uchiha-GUE // Aug 18, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Yes susanoo is stronger. You’re right Tsukiyomi is the strongest genjutsu. Taijutsu goes to Yellow Flash. And Ninjutsu would Orochimarus forbidden reincarnation jutsu. Let’s just say he bring back Pein and Minato to fight on his side. Hey. Just face it. I’m right. Hahaha. And Pein and 8th. U guys should come to a truce. My last comment was only a joke. You both made valid points although Pein wont admit to 8th doing so. I see it. Madara seen it with his EMS. lol. But seriously. Madara transformed into Minato backed 8th up with saying the bodies are strong and the walker thing. Pein later admitted to it. Pein u had 8th and I back u with saying the organs thing was sort of desperation. Lol. It’s funny. He had u u had him. Capisce!!
Overall u both were going back on your words and contradicting. 8th really never said Naruto would beat him when they were face to face if they had fought again. Pein you alwaysdid though. And 8th Pein only stated a fact that Gedo snatches souls. Idk about the not touching the statue. It’s just what come out of it. And 8th stated facts not making anything up except the crazy organ deal. So.
Yeah I agree Haku was very skilled. Anbu level at age 12! But didn’t posess the mental skills.
96 Pein // Aug 19, 2009 at 1:21 am
Lol the comment about madara and me being opponents obviously had the @ symbol with Mad next to it… you just are trying to make everything say not make sense… give it up… and you still after re-reading my comment do not get it??? LMAO it isn’t that hard it’s called sarcasm, get a sense of humor, I m making fun of your point… naruto beat 6 bodies by all means he won thats your point… I say what are you saying he won on points? well if they were scoring this contest, Pein caught more bodies and caused more Pain to naruto get it? got it? good…
LMAO you can claim victory over dead bodies because they are real?? lol they are dead somebody already beat them killed them, what is your problem???
half their lives lost is so straight forward, you got 6 dollars you lose 3, half was lost genius…
97 Pein // Aug 19, 2009 at 1:25 am
and shadow clones are actual copies of the user not illusions, that is what makes them unique… so when one experiences something anything the user experiences it they actual can feel touch smell even bleed but then they go poof… so when they experience dieing the poof part naruto also experiences that… learn about the character you named yourself after…
98 Pein // Aug 19, 2009 at 1:28 am
I perfectly estimated your intelligence… don’t argue a topic you know nothing about.. . technically a clone dieing is worse for the user /naruto than a body for Pein…
99 Pein // Aug 19, 2009 at 1:38 am
@ Mad
the funny thing is I mentioned us as opponents and he brings up the topic we first debated… Madara being stronger than Pein… and that Madara is Peins boss….
@ anyone wondering
The points made were If madara is stronger than Pein because he was his “boss”, then Pein is stronger than Itachi because he was his…
the come back that follows is but itachi had his own motives he wasn’t really being lead by anyone…
the come back for that is, Pein has his own motives as did Madara they were using each other…
And that lead into the possibility of each finding out that one wants something different from the other there might be an ultimate 3 way battle Madara v Pein v Itachi… Obviously that never happened but it just proves this point neither of the 3 was being lead by anyone they all had their own motives and each is too strong to determine who would beat who… but that would have been a beast war…
100 Madara Uchiha // Aug 19, 2009 at 1:41 am
I see my little discussion ignited almost 30 comments. Lol. Pein, I remember when we were “opponents”. I just wanted to piss you off with the Neji thing, but I know you figured that out, anyway if I had to pick answers for my own questions… I’d put Susano’o and Gedo Mazo in the same class. Their both more badass than Naruto’s FRS.
101 Madara Uchiha // Aug 19, 2009 at 1:47 am
Genjutsu would more than likely be Itachi’s “Tsukuyomi”. Taijutsu… Probably would be the 8 gates. Because the 8th gate gives you power of a Kage or greater, but you die. Heh, what a drawback. Just like Susano’o and Gedo Mazo. Pein’s statue did everything. It was like the medium for all his jutsu. It stole souls, seals bijuu, summons clones with proportionate strength.. Nagato was bad as hell.
102 Pein // Aug 19, 2009 at 1:47 am
@ Itachi Gue
Facts??
Besides the organ thing what else was a fact???
Pein tried to shinra Naruto when they met in the tree?? that did not happen and yes he did say that…
He also stated that chiyo healed gaara with only 25% chackra… half ass fact… had it not been for naruto’s chackra she would have failed miserably… he also said the clones don’t scream before they go poof… that’s not true do i have to post an episode for him and you?? Then he says Pein probably couldn’t summon Gedo… where is that valid… he had too many probably s and maybes… and the whole bodies I never said they were weak… i just said Negato was stronger he possessed every move, there was nothing to admit to…
103 Pein // Aug 19, 2009 at 1:50 am
Madara I knew you would see the similarities between the susanoo and Gedo… Guru abilities unmatched by any
104 Pein // Aug 19, 2009 at 1:51 am
the eyes of legend
105 Itachi Uchiha-GUE // Aug 19, 2009 at 2:22 am
Yeah he said all those things. I was tryna sum it all up. But Madara just proved something else he got u with. That Gedo does extract the bijuu. He mentioned that and u said he don’t. But still it needs to end.
@Mad
What is the strongest Ninjutsu besides using Gedo or Susano-o. Seems some answered the question without those 2 being considered because they were asked in a separate question.
106 Pein // Aug 19, 2009 at 2:23 am
seals bijuu
107 Madara Uchiha // Aug 19, 2009 at 2:48 am
Anyway, it’s good to see the forum coming alive again. I still didn’t see everyone’s answers in regard to the strongest jutsu techs.
108 Madara Uchiha // Aug 19, 2009 at 2:53 am
The Gedo itself doesn’t seal the bijuu. It’s that summoning “King of Hell” statue. Pein uses it for other techs. Like stealing souls. Stealing bijuu and so forth. I just had to correct you. The statue is apart of Pein’s arsenal. But he uses different jutsu with it. Like making exact replicas of people and stuff like that.
109 Madara Uchiha // Aug 19, 2009 at 3:01 am
So anyway, Madara has come out of hiding and appears in front of Naruto in 460. Sasuke is seemingly super-evil and being manipulated. White Zetsu met the Raikage and Zetsu’s life story read “once upon a time,…..the end”. Lol. Naruto tries to fight Madara.. Blah blah. He gets restrained… Blah blah.
110 Madara Uchiha // Aug 19, 2009 at 3:10 am
Anyway, back to the forun discussion. I was curious to know about what people thought about the strongest techs they’ve seen in Naruto. I think this would be the best way to do it. I ask everybody on this forum… Doesn’t matter whether you are Guru or Emo.. We all watch the series… In order from strongest to weakest… Name the Top 5 Techs you have seen in Naruto. I’m conducting a poll here.
111 Madara Uchiha // Aug 19, 2009 at 3:18 am
I would have to say… 1. Susano’o 1b. Gezo Mazo 3. Fuuton : Rasen Shuriken. 4. Chibaku Tensei 5. Amaterasu… That’s my opinion.
112 Neji the Truth // Aug 19, 2009 at 4:07 am
is it safe to come out now. i saw that lil scuffle with my BYAKUGAN!!!! and wasn`t coming anywhere near that.
113 Neji the Truth // Aug 19, 2009 at 4:13 am
ok and all of you are wrong the strongest technique is narutos sexy no jutsu or harem no jutsu. those moves are so strong it makes grow ass men have nosebleeds. and harem no jutsu is a genjutsu with a ninjutsu combined. I WIN
POP BOTTLES
114 Minato Namikaze // Aug 19, 2009 at 4:16 am
I saw it as well. Things have blown up in the last 24 hours or so. The forum was effectively dead until 8th and Pein went at it. Emos went on a vacation. They came back towards the end of the battle. Madara dropped knowledge and spoilers. This has been an interesting day. I actually saw my name posted up a while ago. I think 8th said it. But shout outs to all the Gurus. And as far as my top 5 jutsus.. I agree with Madara. But my next in line jutsus are… Shinrai Tensei, Tsukuyomi, Kamui, Hiraishin no Jutsu and Madara’s unnamed Space time ninjutsu. The 4th’s Dead Demon Consuming Seal “Reaper Death Seal” and Morning Peacock.
115 Minato Namikaze // Aug 19, 2009 at 4:20 am
Lol @ Neji. You continuously poppin’ bottles. Maybe you should leave the bar alone, balla. Lol.
116 Itachi Uchiha-GUE // Aug 19, 2009 at 4:54 am
In that case I would include susanoo and gedo as one and two.
Rasen shuriken 3
Chibaku4 The name makes me think abiut star wars.
5. I still say Orochimarus forbidden jutsu. When he summoned 1st and 2nd. He could summon Pein and Itachi. Well anyone that knows it. And I put that at 4.
And these are all ninjutsu of course. We don’t really see different taijutsu styles. So what would the top 5genjutsu be.
I would say Tsukiyomi1. Shisuis tech 2. Don’t know they name. Thats all I have.
And Itachi had to be the greatest genjutsu user of all time.
117 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 19, 2009 at 9:45 am
Okay. I’ll just split it and answer both Itachi and Madara. So Ninjutsu
1. Edo Tensei. I agree with u here Itachi. No matter who u summon they must fight for u. And can use any jutsu of theirs so imagine summoning Itachi and Pein using Gedo and Susanoo. And I do believe Orochimaru is coming back he’ll take control of Kabuto.
2. Susanoo
3. Gedo
4. RS
5. Chibaku Tensei
My 6 would be nejis 128trigrams. It’s insane and deadly. He doesn’t need to hit u directly.
Genjutsu
1. Tsukuyomi
2. Toad Song.
3. Kokuangyou no Jutsu. Used by 1st and 2nd Hokage
4. Utaka
5. Well idk. Lol.
118 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 19, 2009 at 11:08 am
@Mad
it’s cool that u corrected me. But I had asked in a earlier post that if gedo and the KHS was the samething cause it looked the same. I knew the KHS sealed them but I just thought it was another name for Gedo.
@Pein
everyone knew they all had different motives. And tat fight would be the greatest fight in the histroy of anime/manga. And I only said he was boss because Pein answered to him. But I still believe Madara was stronger. But if it came to it. I believe Pein would win. Cause Madara wanted him alive foe his jutsu. But scratch everything. And just elaorate on this for me. Everyone else can as well.
We know Pein was strong as hell. I never questioned that! Negato Pein himself was the original. Can use all the jutsus the bodies were using. But! He could not use them all at the same time. Which is why I view the bodies togetstrongest an advantage and maybe stronger becaue he could also move. Being stuck in his walker and synced to Gedo immobilizes him. So with bodies he could use all his jutsus at one time. Well use all jutsus at once. 6different jutsus at one time is stronger than one. Yahiko or God Realm could summon KHS. Maybe I’m wrong. Just elaborate for me.
119 Minato Namikaze // Aug 19, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Edo Tensei? Seriously? Okay, it’s powerful and forbidden but, if you put it up against something strong like “Reaper Death Seal” it basically negates that jutsu. Gedo is more broken that the 4th’s seal. Because you stay alive afterwards. And even if your summons do fight for you with Edo, Susano’o makes you virtually invincible. It’s the ultimate defense and attack, plus it carrys the sword to trap you in genjutsu for all of eternity. Orochimaru’s jutsu’s were outclassed, even if they were forbidden.
120 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 19, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Yeah it negates it but just saying now that Pein and Itachi is dead they can be summoned which means they can use Susanoo and Gedo. Correct?
121 Minato Namikaze // Aug 19, 2009 at 4:29 pm
That’s an accurate theory. But Orochimaru is technically “dead”. And trying to take over Kabuto. I actually Kabuto will resist him and keep control. I think they are better jutsu that Edo Tensei. You’d still need to make seals to have the dead do your bidding, though.
122 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 19, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Lol. Yeah he’s dead. But so is Pein. And itachi probably only brought it up because u just said jutsu we have seen in Naruto. But I do believe my genjutsu is just about accurate
123 Pein // Aug 20, 2009 at 1:36 am
I recall Pein saying that if jiraiya had prior knowledge of there being six bodies it would have been very difficult to defeat him…
So I now pose this question, i know naruto is stronger than jiraiya (in brute force not skill) but could he actually beat jiraiya??
124 Pein // Aug 20, 2009 at 1:38 am
Keep this in mind jiraiya fought Pein @ full strength, was caught by surprise, and Pein intended to kill him from the beginning…
125 Pein // Aug 20, 2009 at 1:52 am
1 Susanoo/Gedo
2 Amateratsu
3 Chibaku Tensei
4 Dead Demon Consuming Seal
5 Tsukuyomi
Fuuton, Shinra Tensei, Sand Tsunami
126 Madara Uchiha // Aug 20, 2009 at 2:25 am
That’s an interesting question. Maybe if it wasn’t named Naruto, Jiraiya might have a chance, lol. Seriously though. It’d be a toss up. Jiraiya is much better all around than Naruto, except Naruto actually mastered senjutsu. Where as Jiraiya needed a little help. They both had massive chakra reserves. That would be a good battle though..
127 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 20, 2009 at 2:26 am
That’s a give and take. Naruto is a sage but we don’t know if he know the techniques like Jiriaya. If he did then it would make it more interesting… If he didn’t then a chance he could lose. But u can’t underestimate Naruto.
I didn’t put Amaterasu because Jiraya put it out. If u know the fire seal then it’s no good
128 Madara Uchiha // Aug 20, 2009 at 2:31 am
Jiraiya is not gonna be able to take the scroll off his back and seal Amaterasu in the middle of a fight where Itachi is as quick as lightning.
129 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 20, 2009 at 6:54 am
That’s where fukasaku and shima comes in.
But Naruto did master senjutsu. And surpass Jiraya. I forgot about him mastering it. Naruto doesn’t look much of a toad as Jiraya. Jiraya nose gets huge as hell. Lol. But Kishi should hve just made it a tradition for pupil to fight sensei as a sign of strength or idk mean something.
130 Naruto-8th Hokage // Aug 20, 2009 at 10:53 am
Fight between Sasuke and Raikage should be interesting though. Sasuke will win since he has some all of a sudden power upgrade. But the shadow reminds me of the 4tailed Naruto. Seriously where did this power come from. He’s been cold hearted and selfish.
So is Madara a ghost!? Lol.
I heard of a rumor sayingsomething about Madara being the only one able to unlock a new sharingan. That’s why he’s using Sasuke. And Itachi knew of Madaras plans and that’s why he wanted to keep him away from him. And he knew that Naruto wouldn’t he able to convince Sasuke and they would have to fight so he gave him power which I believe is Susanoo.
131 Madara Uchiha // Aug 20, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Kishi’s just messing up again. He said Naruto was stronger a few chapters ago. He did it by training. So Sasuke got another invisible power-up. But the Raikage is no slouch. He’s stronger than Killer Bee. Plus, Sasuke gets his ass handed to him when he fights black people. So, I dunno if he’s gonna beat the only Black Kage we have ever seen, lmao. Gnr
132 Itachi Uchiha-GUE // Aug 20, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Yeah Naruto would win that fight.
I pose a theory to this entire forum since everyone poses something here.
I constantly do research or just Reread the manga chpts. Not all tho. But! We still have no clue of the jutsu left behind for Naruto to learn by Minato. All we know is that the yin chakra is needed. And In chpt370 Jiraiya stated he was the one controlling the fox and he found it ironic that at The Valley ofthe End his position of where he was standing. He thought as if he was looking at something and on the last page Madara is shown looking at something. And at chpt 368 r367 Madara states when all is done his sharingan power would be great or something like that which relates to 8ths comment. So maybe there is another level if the sharingan strong than the eternal level. And for some reason he foreseen Sasuke becoming a Hawk. Changing from snake to hawk. Not really a theory but somethings to keep in mind
133 Madara Uchiha // Aug 20, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Or maybe like previously theoriezed, he lost his powers in that state which should be true. Because Itachi called him a pathetic shell of his former self
134 Itachi Uchiha-GUE // Aug 20, 2009 at 4:12 pm
It could be that too! But remember in the forest when he first encountered naruto and gang how he used his space/time ninjutsu. And he captured the three tails in one move. I find it quite odd that there he is able to hit something and now he can’t hit Naruto. What’s up with that? Is he only like this at times. Projectile at times and his true self at times or what? But I want to know what the hell he was looking at. Maybe if we knew our questions would he answered.
And lol @Madara’s comment about Sasuke
but the way it’s going and Sasuke receiving these upgrades instantaneously it seems as if Kishimoto wants Sasuke to be the final villain cause now I doubt a it would be a 3way fight between he naruto and madara. Look at it. He and Naruto fought at The Valley of the End. Kakashi thought that was ironic. I’m not saying it’ll be like this but it seems as if kishimoto wants to push it.
It says Madara was the founder of the Uchiha clan. Well the hell did he and Izuna and everyone else get the sharingan
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